Action 2030 Field Notes: Excerpts from a Food, Inc. Panel Discussion

Food.inc Panel

Food, Inc was screened at UC Berkeley's packed Wheeler Auditorium Tuesday night, followed by a lively panel discussion with (left to right) UC Professor and author Michael Pollan, Director Robert Kenner, author Eric Schlosser, and Farmer Troy Roush. Pollan, Schlosser, and Roush were all prominently featured in the film.

This compelling yet disturbing documentary has been widely detailed and reviewed elsewhere, though it's worth noting that the largely student audience attending this Cal Performances event received both the film and panel with palpable enthusiasm.

Panel discussion and Q & A excerpts:

RobertKennerDirector Robert Kenner compares making Food, Inc. to his other films:

...I also spent probably 15 more times in legal fees in making this film. And the big concern was whether the film was going to be enjoyed, whether they would stop it from getting to the theaters... There's certainly a number of websites out there attacking it - I'm certainly not used to that experience.

I was very concerned with the economy tanking whether there would be any audience for this movie. We had just rushed in about peak oil, and what's going to happen if prices keep going up, then everything dropped and I thought oh my god this film has lost all relevancy, and the release date was for June ... I wasn't sure what was going to happen. But it turned out to be pretty good timing with Obama, also there was a sense that you can change things, so I was pleasantly surprised. It worked out really well on that front.

EricEric Schlosser (author of Fast Food Nation)::

When you look at Robbie's film, and to me it's an amazing documentary, and it's one of the most successful documentaries of recent years. And yet in the grand media it's almost insignificant. I mean the fast food chains will spend more on a thirty second ad then this film costs ... The food industry spends something like nine or ten billion dollars on marketing alone every year. The marketing budget for this documentary was significantly less.

And what's so interesting to me is that they still need to try to crush it, and they still need to try to attack anyone who disagrees with them. And to me it's really revealing about the broader system, and I care enourmously about food, and since Fast Food Nation came out- it's almost a decade, and I really tried to use it as an activist, but the most important thing about this film for me has nothing to do with food. It has to do with concentrated power and how corrupting that is to this society, and how they don't want you guys to even have a different point of view. The irony is that it's all about free enterprise and freedom of expression, but as soon as somebody contradicts them, they try to crush them. And to me it's actually very encouraging that the book, and the film, which in the realm of Hollywoood is an insignificant tiny little investment, can still irritate very mean powerful companies. And that's kind of for me why I try to do the work that I do and I know it's why you guys do, and I think it's very revealing about this system and how it operates, and I hope all of you will really think twice about the messages your getting form the mainstream and seek out alternative sources of information.

"...the most important thing about this film for me has nothing to do with food. It has to do with concentrated power and how corrupting that is to this society" - Eric Schlosser


Audience Question: what do you think of vegetarians and veganism?

MichaelPollanProfessor Michael Pollan (author of The Omnivore's Dilemna & In Defense of Food ):
I think we're all omnivores here...
I have absolutely enourmous respect for vegetarians and vegans for the simple reason that they have made a decision about what they are going to eat and they are conscious of it and they have connected their eating choices to their values. And having gone through that process, which so few Americans have, even now, I think is incredibly admirable. I've gone through that process too - I've come out in a different place. But you know, all that I ask is that they be conscious rather than eat in any particular way. I'm convinced that if people pay attention to what they are doing, where their food comes from, they will make better choices.

RobertKennerRobert Kenner:
Just on a level that we are going to have to eat less meat as we go on, that's a factor. I think we've been attacked as many times by people from PETA for not saying that everyone has to be a vegetarian as we have from Monsanto. ...hopefully this film will make you think about eating less meat without having to say that's what we should do. and I think we should do it for numbers of reasons. But I didn't think it would be helpful. And what I thought was most important was to make a film for people who had not thought about their food. And ultimately it's a film that hopefully goes beyond food to think about politics and consolidation of corporate power, and I think it could be alienating if we had sort of demanded, before said this is very important, you should become a vegetarian, so hopefully this will influence people in that direction.


Consumer Driven Change vs. Policy Change

Michael Pollan (to Troy): How do you see change coming? You had the last word in the film and you suggested it's up to consumers. Is that really where it's going to come from, or is there the possibility of political action or changes in the policy world?

RushFarmer Troy Roush: ...Well, certainly the political options are there ... we farmers are going to answer to the demand whatever that demand may be. So, if I no longer have a market for I'm producing I'm going to change my ways and I'm going to do it quite quickly. I'm going to adapt to that market.

Michael Pollan: Are you free to do that though?

Troy Roush: I'm a midwestern farmer, and midwestern farmers produce two things - corn and soybeans, and soybeans and corn. I'm a little different in that I have an organic segment and I also have a vegetable segement to my business. I produce seed tomatoes. When I first got into the tomato business, I planted something like eight acres of tomatoes, and I won't go into the details of it cause it doesn't even make sense to me...but that little mistake by planting those eight acres of tomatoes cost me $22,000 in fines from our government. In a lot of ways, farmers hands are tied. So we certainly do need to talk about policy change.

Michael Pollan: But once you get into the commodity subsidy program, and your land is designated as corn bean land, your not allowed to produce anything else.

Troy Roush: Absolutely true. Quite frankly, a lot of farmers don't realize that when they put that little patch of sweet corn out there for the family to eat off of, they're in violation of that rule and they can certainly be fined. The difference is I actually went and reported what I did and was fined as a result.


QuestionJulie Klinger, UC-Berkeley grad student, Action 2030 research associate, and fourth generation member of a Northern Illinois industrial farming family, quoted her family's reaction to another film, "The Future of Food", which raises similar issues: "They said that they were aware of the issues. They said three things: We don't have a choice: we're serfs on our own land; we are our own worst enemy*; and we want to take care of the soil that we farm".

[*by failing to organize a collective response to government programs which encourage overproduction, farmers act against their own self interest. The higher volume drives prices down, locking farmers onto a treadmill of of debt and dependency on continuous overproduction.]

"What sort of farmer driven solutions might there be towards advocating policy change, and how can we at this university as students and faculty join with farmers to help really think about the kind of change that we want to see?"

Troy Roush: You know as farmers the first thing that we've got to do is actually get control of the organizations that are supposed to represent us. ..as farmers we've got to take ownership of what we're doing. I certainly appreciate the point that you family made - 'we don't have a choice'. It's not necessarily true. We don't have easy choices - but we certainly have choices.

In my own situation I've diversified into a small organic segment that I'm proud of... I also diversified into non-GMO cream, also a very nice segment.

We have options - we just have to explore them.


Eric: What about the federal level. Let's say you had control of the farm bureau, what kind of policies would you advocate for the new farm bill - are there policy changes - besides allowing you to grow vegetables - that would help to drive this market forward?

Troy Roush: (Joking) I would go to the farm bureau and fire everybody so... (laughter)

The way farm programs run - and I hate to get into this because it gets just far too complex, but the system of subsidies that we currently have is just ridiculous. They basically are set up to allow us to produce at below cost of production, and this has a lot of unintended consequences - and maybe they are intended I don't know - the first thing is it provides grains or feedstocks to the CAPO, these large animal feeding operations at below cost of production, which actually drives the farmers out of the business of raising their own livestock - it's crazy.

The second unintended consequences are, at least I hope it's unintended, is that a lot of developing nations can't afford to grow their own food because we're going to export to them below cost of production. So we need to change that model. We need to change from something below cost of production to something that sets a floor underneath the commodity price that insures a minimum wage would be a good way to put it.


Monsanto

Robert Kenner: One thing that happened is that Kramer of Mad Money show came out and said that he had inside information - because of Food.inc the White House was going to go after Monsanto - and the stock dropped, and it looks like that might be happening, so that's ... (applause).

Troy Roush: "I've been battling Monsanto off and on now for thirteen years. You know, it wasn't until Robbie's film that I got my own page on the website."

Report by James George

Articles:

"How to Feed China," by Dale Wen, in Third World Resurgence, April 2008.